Wikipedia talk:Moving a page

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The instructions seem to be outdated. Should we update them?

This page still recommends manual recategorization, which is a very slow and tedious process. Cat-a-lot can be used to automate this process, but it isn't mentioned on this page at all. Should we edit this article to recommend the Cat-a-lot script as an automated categorization tool? Jarble (talk) 00:43, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

@Jarble:: I wouldn't recommend that anyone be using manual or script-based recategorization, not when we have bots to do it. I think the Wikipedia:Moving_a_page#How_to_move_a_category section should just be replaced with: "Category moves can be requested via WP:CFD. For the technical details of the category renaming process, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions."--Aervanath (talk) 22:56, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

@Aervanath: Bots are able to redirect categories automatically, but I'm not sure about the best way to split categories. Is there any tool (other than Cat-a-lot) that can automate this task? Jarble (talk) 23:09, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

@Jarble: For splitting categories, I would ask at WT:CFD or other forum where category-focused editors hang out if there are better tools, but I suspect that there aren't. Either way, I wouldn't recommend adding it to this page, since splitting categories is really beyond its scope. This page is when you need to rename the category wholesale, not split it.--Aervanath (talk) 23:29, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Also, the target links clickbox isn't showing.--Laurianna2 (talk) 19:44, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

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Recommended changes for "Post-move cleanup" section

In order to reduce confusion, I think it would be useful for the information in the "Post-move cleanup" section of this article to be identical to (or at least more closely match) what appears in the "move successful" page which pops up after a move. I did my first article move today and at one point accidentally navigated away from the "move successful" page. So I searched and found this page but the information presented here wasn't quite the same as what shows up on the "move successful" page. Having the text be as close to identical as possible would be very helpful. Gmporr (talk) 22:32, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

@Gmporr: It looks like you are requesting a change to MediaWiki:Movepage-moved. -- Andy W. (talk · ctb) 00:23, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

@Andy M. Wang: Thanks for the better identification of what I was referring to; I definitely didn't know where to find MediaWiki:Movepage-moved. But really, rather than wanting a change there, I think a change to Moving a page#Post-move cleanup, to include either the bullet list from MediaWiki:Movepage-moved, or a link to it, is the solution to my concern. Seeing the bullet list pop up after having moved an article gives a concise list of what the user needs to do. When I navigated away from it and couldn't find it again, I found this page but wished it had included the same bullet list to make things more user-friendly. Gmporr (talk) 01:06, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. For now, I've added a nutshell to the section, which summarizes the changes. -- Andy W. (talk · ctb) 02:50, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

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Revisions on 16 September 2016

I made some updates to move how-to pages: one two three, essentially favoring {{subst:RMassist}} over {{Db-move}}, which I explained in comments and edit summarries. The primary reasons are:

1. WP:RMT requests are easily traceable via permalink, and when moves are carried out, contain the permalink so that the requests themselves are easily attributable. (just like an automatic db-move link generated by the template)
2. Unlike db-move, WP:RMT provides a central location naturally conducive to further discussion prior to a move that's carried out. This could be a quick exchange regarding interpretation of title guidelines or something similar. The Db-move suggestion is a discussion on the page's own talk, which likely has far less visibility or watchers.
3. The infrastructure provided by {{subst:RMassist}} includes an easy "discuss" link that posts on the talk page. There is no easy link to initiate a further discussion after a db-move decline.
4. That there is no need to pollute the CSD categories with requests that can be satisfied with a pageswap, of which almost requests listed at WP:RMT are also equivalent to db-move requests anyway. The only difference is that the redirect adds two moves in its existing revision history.
5. For the past month or so, I'm led to believe that Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion are not handled as rapidly as those at WP:RMT. Technical requests are often handled in less than a day.

If anyone wanted to follow up on this, please let me know. -- Andy W. (talk · ctb) 00:25, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

@Andy M. Wang: I would like to make a few comments on your changes:

1. Why is it better to have discussions about the move on WP:RMT rather than the article talk page?
2. There is nothing preventing someone from adding a discuss link to {{db-move}}
3. Unlike pages which are tagged with {{db-move}} people watching a page know nothing about an RM/TR request, making fewer people aware of the move request. Perhaps a bot could add some template to pages currently under discussion at RM/TR

Pppery 17:13, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Pppery, I've noticed that (move) requests at Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion tend to get handled slower (sometimes taking 5-6 days) than at WP:RMT. At RMT, many editors with a good understanding of titling guidelines are (currently) quite eager to resolve them, and it's a venue designed for page moves. If you disagree, feel free to undo my changes (I gave the diffs above). -- Andy W. (talk · ctb) 17:38, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm not going to revert you, but just wanted to point out a few advantages to {{db-move}} that perhaps should be considered. Pppery 17:40, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

@Pppery: Mention of RMassist in the how-tos should be fine for now. I believe db-move's own suggestion per typical db is its own talk, but I probably wouldn't be against a discuss link. Potential bot listings on RMT could list db-move transclusions (but it's not like no one's looking at the category, and resolutions for pages there seem reasonable I think). -- Andy W. (talk · ctb) 04:39, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

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Moving sandbox to an existing page

I copied an article (with very little content) into my sandbox and worked on it there. Now I want to move it back to the existing page. How can I do this? -- Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohits19 (talk o contribs) 21:34, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Normally, by clicking the "move" tab, select "(Article)" from the drop-down box under "New title:" and entering an article title in the box to its right. That only works if the article name name doesn't exist. If you want to overwrite the current article Grunt (software), you have to copy/paste the wikicode from your sandbox into the editing box of that article. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:06, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I believe Mohits19 would like the revision history moved. This would need to be performed by an admin. I tagged the target page with {{histmerge}}. -- Andy W. (talk · ctb) 06:19, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks!! The article was moved to the original page along with revision history. If I need to do this in the future, how and where do I tag the target page? -- Mohits19 (talk) 21:01, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

@Mohits19: It looks like the revision in which I tag Grunt (software) with {{histmerge|User:Mohits19/sandbox}} has been deleted during the histmerge. Basically put that code at the top of the page, you can see Template:Histmerge/doc#Examples for further details -- Andy W. (talk · ctb) 00:32, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

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All previous moves for a given page

Is there a way to see a list of all moves that a given page has undergone? Querying the move log only shows the moves away from a given title and for a page that has moved several times piecing together the history this way is quite a bit of a hassle. All page moves are recorded as edits in the page's history, I'd imagine an edit summary search for something like "moved page" could do the trick, but I haven't been able to find a tool that does that. - Uanfala (talk) 20:54, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

You're right. Piecing together a complete move history can be a time-consuming pain. m:2016 Community Wishlist Survey. wbm1058 (talk) 22:33, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Ah, so there isn't anything at present. Well then, I guess I don't have anything better than the current proxy method I use - looking at the history of a redirect to the page that has moved. Most of the time this history contains only edits by the double-redirect fixing bot that tidies up after moves. - Uanfala (talk) 23:39, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Right, I do that too. If you want to submit a wishlist item, I will vote to support it. wbm1058 (talk) 23:56, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

There's a tool - Edit summary search - unfortunately it can only look at edits made by a single user, it would be good if it could work for unspecified user; it would need to look at the edits of a page specified by its curid because the page name changes at every move. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:53, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

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Moving local file description to article space not allowed

A new user posted the start of an article at File:SeyhanArman.jpg, so I tried moving it to Seyhan Arman (using Twinkle), but I got the error message "Cannot move file to non-file namespace". I guess that makes sense in most cases, but it seemed a bit surprising. I'll copy-paste move the page to the new location instead. Perhaps it might be worth mentioning this limitation somewhere on this page? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:10, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

WP:CSD#G6 "Deleting pages unambiguously created in error or in the incorrect namespace." --Redrose64 (talk) 22:14, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Sure, deleting the contribution isn't the problem. It's moving the contribution to a new page and maintaining the attribution that is. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:55, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

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Add WP:move review?

This page should mention WP:move review. Where to put it? --George Ho (talk) 20:58, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

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Snow closure

I've closed Talk:2017 Westminster attack#Requested move 24 March 2017 per WP:SNOW, and removed the tag from the top of the article. Please do whatever is needed, if anything, to clean up elsewhere. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:11, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: you need to remove the {{requested move/dated}}; also, with a sig like yours, you need to explicitly number the params of {{archive top}}, i.e. |1= You didn't need to remove the {{User:RMCD bot/subject notice}} from the article, since the bot will do that automatically when it notices that the {{requested move/dated}} is gone. In fact, your removal of the {{User:RMCD bot/subject notice}} whilst leaving {{requested move/dated}} alone has caused the bot to revert you. This should be square now. --Redrose64 ? (talk) 12:30, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Please move User:Albanian presidential election, 2017

Did not know where to ask this so I will ask here. User:Albanian presidential election, 2017 should be moved to User:Northernelk888's sandbox as he incorrectly uses user space as his sandbox. - Sabbatino (talk) 08:59, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: Thanks for the note. The correct place for this request would have been requested moves. However, it seems like Northernelk888 was just trying to move his sandbox to a main namespace article, Albanian presidential election, 2017, but forgot to unselect the namespace. I have history-merged "Albanian presidential election, 2017" with its userspace equivalent, and changed the redirect on the sandbox to the main namespace article. Graham87 09:25, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

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